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#55135: "valuable moments that you want to use sheepwalker, but the system won't let you"
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Regras: uma regra do jogo não foi respeitada
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• Que parte das regras não foi respeitada pela adaptação do BGA?
At the end of round 7, I had sheep in my farmyard and I had played the occupation Sheepwalker (B104). According that card, I can exchange sheep for other things *at any time*.
In the Harvest phase, I wanted to turn one sheep into a vegetable. I wanted to turn that vegetable into a food and keep one of my food coins for the next round. However, the system automatically paid four food and didn’t wait for me to make an action. Apparently, it didn’t recognize that I had an option to produce food from sheep.
In the breeding phase, offspring was produced and I had one sheep too many. The system gave me no option but to discard it. I think it’s correct that once the sheep had breeded, one walked away. But the system didn’t recognize that I could have used the sheep walker just before the breeding phase.
So the way the programming has been done, there seems to be a restriction on the moments that you can use the sheepwalker.• A violação de regras está visível na revisão do jogo? Se sim, em que número de jogada?
Check my description. before move # 167. I am not sure if you can see it. You would have to see my players' interface and the options that I got and didn't get.• Qual navegador você está usando?
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16 dez 2021 18:03 • CanisLupusMalus • Bug não foi reproduzido pela equipa de desenvolvimento ainda:
There are several somewhat similar reports, but none of them seems to explicitly adress the problem of how to meet the *at any time* requirement in a digital environment.
Thanks for your attention and keep up the great work.
Thanks for your attention and keep up the great work.
16 dez 2021 18:48 • sei0704 • Bug não foi reproduzido pela equipa de desenvolvimento ainda:
26 dez 2021 10:08 • nuip • Bug não foi reproduzido pela equipa de desenvolvimento ainda:
> There are several somewhat similar reports, but none of them seems to explicitly adress the problem of how to meet the *at any time* requirement in a digital environment.
Fireplace also allows players to convert sheep to food at any time so it should be possible to implement "at any time" for sheep walker theoretically.
In my understanding, the solution for Fireplace is to add an ad-hoc button to every possible usage. For example, a "Cook sheep" button is added at the end of the reorganize-animals operation. So let's enumerate the usage of sheep walker.
- Before the reorganize-animals operation. I think the developers already know when reorganize-animals operation is needed.
- Before the start of the rounds (e.g. Horse-Drawn Boat let a player get a sheep at the start of a round)
- When a "Cook sheep" button appears (We may want to exchange a sheep for a wild boar to get more food.)
- After the last breeding phase (boardgamearena.com/bug?id=55375)
Do you know any other usage?
Fireplace also allows players to convert sheep to food at any time so it should be possible to implement "at any time" for sheep walker theoretically.
In my understanding, the solution for Fireplace is to add an ad-hoc button to every possible usage. For example, a "Cook sheep" button is added at the end of the reorganize-animals operation. So let's enumerate the usage of sheep walker.
- Before the reorganize-animals operation. I think the developers already know when reorganize-animals operation is needed.
- Before the start of the rounds (e.g. Horse-Drawn Boat let a player get a sheep at the start of a round)
- When a "Cook sheep" button appears (We may want to exchange a sheep for a wild boar to get more food.)
- After the last breeding phase (boardgamearena.com/bug?id=55375)
Do you know any other usage?
27 dez 2021 20:35 • CanisLupusMalus • Bug não foi reproduzido pela equipa de desenvolvimento ainda:
> Do you know any other usage?
-Before feeding phase (you may want to turn sheep into veggies)
-Before breeding phase (if you foresee that you will have more animals than you can accomodate)
-Before the end of game, which could indeed be after the last breeding phase
-Before feeding phase (you may want to turn sheep into veggies)
-Before breeding phase (if you foresee that you will have more animals than you can accomodate)
-Before the end of game, which could indeed be after the last breeding phase
27 dez 2021 20:39 • CanisLupusMalus • Bug não foi reproduzido pela equipa de desenvolvimento ainda:
Note that there is this setting that if you have no special actions and you have enough food to feed your family, feeding phase is processed automatically. Apparently, this setting doesn't recognize sheepwalker as a special action yet.
1 jan 2022 15:34 • euklid314 • Bug não foi reproduzido pela equipa de desenvolvimento ainda:
Please note that I have posted a similar bug report with number # 56228.
Unfortunately I did find this (older) bug report only now or I would not have needed to start a new report...
I think that asking
- Before feeding phase
- Before breeding phase
- After the breeding phase
should solve the problem.
But as you write - just considering Sheep Walker as a special action could solve the problem too.
Unfortunately I did find this (older) bug report only now or I would not have needed to start a new report...
I think that asking
- Before feeding phase
- Before breeding phase
- After the breeding phase
should solve the problem.
But as you write - just considering Sheep Walker as a special action could solve the problem too.
2 fev 2022 15:01 • biggetje • Bug não foi reproduzido pela equipa de desenvolvimento ainda:
In the past 3 days, I've had 2 games where opponents with sheep walker made the game go bananas by trying to convert during last harvest. This seems a little different from this issue (not having the option to convert) but I figured I should add it here?
Basically they wanted to do normal conversions to vegs & boars to breed, but the game just slams a bunch of error messages in everyone's faces and throw them all out. Both times, the only solution was to refresh endlessly, somehow get back in the game and just give up on converting altogether.
Table #238481780
Table #237738877
Basically they wanted to do normal conversions to vegs & boars to breed, but the game just slams a bunch of error messages in everyone's faces and throw them all out. Both times, the only solution was to refresh endlessly, somehow get back in the game and just give up on converting altogether.
Table #238481780
Table #237738877
15 fev 2022 19:58 • CanisLupusMalus • Bug não foi reproduzido pela equipa de desenvolvimento ainda:
> Do you know any other usage?
-Before feeding phase (you may want to turn sheep into veggies)
-Before breeding phase (if you foresee that you will have more animals than you can accomodate)
-Before the end of game, which could indeed be after the last breeding phase
addition:
-Every time you take sheep
-Before feeding phase (you may want to turn sheep into veggies)
-Before breeding phase (if you foresee that you will have more animals than you can accomodate)
-Before the end of game, which could indeed be after the last breeding phase
addition:
-Every time you take sheep
15 fev 2022 20:20 • Tisaac • Bug confirmado pela equipa de desenvolvimento:
@CanisLupus : just use the convert button before placing your farmer to take sheep.
18 fev 2022 21:15 • Birdsii • Bug confirmado pela equipa de desenvolvimento:
Table #241188532. Can't figure out how to get sheep walker to work. I can move sheep around and cook them but not exchange for pig,vegetable or stone.
18 fev 2022 21:22 • Tisaac • Bug confirmado pela equipa de desenvolvimento:
@Birdsii: you can't use sheepwalker if you have any pending animals.
2 mar 2022 21:57 • Rusty Lantern • Bug confirmado pela equipa de desenvolvimento:
Refer to Table #245593299 Round 4 for another instance of this problem.
3 mar 2022 2:02 • HandsomePhil • Bug confirmado pela equipa de desenvolvimento:
Any time card usage should be made available each time have a dialog. It was needed here, when i was asked to confirm animal placement during end of harvest.
Request to keep the ' show possible exchanges' button at this time.
imgur.com/a/qoP5PoG
Request to keep the ' show possible exchanges' button at this time.
imgur.com/a/qoP5PoG
4 abr 2022 7:21 • magic2night • Bug confirmado pela equipa de desenvolvimento:
End of game unable to use Sheepwalker
Table #256046625
Move #494
Table #256046625
Move #494
5 abr 2022 7:20 • XJI • Bug confirmado pela equipa de desenvolvimento:
End of the game, unable to use sleepwalker to utilize the breeding. Could have got more points for pig and vegetable.
18 abr 2022 1:33 • NormandyWept • Bug confirmado pela equipa de desenvolvimento:
Same situation as already reported, however this can also be seen in game #259875539 where this cost me 3 points (and the win) by not being able to convert sheep into boar and vegetables after breeding in the final harvest but before final scoring.
24 abr 2022 20:57 • gsmatthijs • Bug confirmado pela equipa de desenvolvimento:
I had a similar experience, convert before final scoring is important I think
7 mai 2022 15:35 • Aspheric • Bug confirmado pela equipa de desenvolvimento:
I had a similar experice with Seed Trader in game #263107248. I could have eaten y cow on the last turn and bought a veg but it just ended the game. Is the issue also one of settings? I had auto reorganise on as "Enabled without confirm" if I had "Enabled with confirm" I guess it would have stopped?
20 jun 2022 9:41 • Tisaac • Bug confirmado pela equipa de desenvolvimento:
Should work for the last harvest now. Other timing need more work.
28 jun 2022 11:09 • gsmatthijs • Bug confirmado pela equipa de desenvolvimento:
Thank you for working on this!
29 jun 2022 9:11 • gsmatthijs • Bug confirmado pela equipa de desenvolvimento:
I should add that in a recent game (#278951405), I experienced a related bug with sheepwalker.
During the harvest phase, I turned 3 sheep into 3 pigs and cooked 1 of the pigs. I then got the option to consume 10 food for the feeding; or to rearrange animals. I needed to rearrange to make it fit, however the game froze when I picked that option. I reloaded, and now picked the feeding option. This was successful, but the game now no longer let me rearrange, and rather kept the additional pigs next to the farm. I was able to rearrange later.
During the harvest phase, I turned 3 sheep into 3 pigs and cooked 1 of the pigs. I then got the option to consume 10 food for the feeding; or to rearrange animals. I needed to rearrange to make it fit, however the game froze when I picked that option. I reloaded, and now picked the feeding option. This was successful, but the game now no longer let me rearrange, and rather kept the additional pigs next to the farm. I was able to rearrange later.
10 set 2022 6:00 • ambergris • Bug confirmado pela equipa de desenvolvimento:
If player wants to use Sheep Walker function at the very end of the game (that is, after harvest and after animals have reproduced), user is presented with a "rearrange animals" option, but exchange button is not present. Once player has okayed rearrangement, system gives the standard Confirm and offers the exchange button. So technically, user can do the exchange at this point, but it is a very fleeting opportunity (especially because the confirm countdown runs very very fast). See, for example, the end of boardgamearena.com/table?table=298781145
You'll see I commented to other players during rearrangement that I had no opportunity to do exchange. Once I did rearrangement, I saw and clicked the confirm before I noticed the exchange was present during confirm. Proposal: Show exchange dialogue during rearrangement. Any of the "at any time" exchanges should be active. (I'm not sure whether this is already done at times other than the game end.)
You'll see I commented to other players during rearrangement that I had no opportunity to do exchange. Once I did rearrangement, I saw and clicked the confirm before I noticed the exchange was present during confirm. Proposal: Show exchange dialogue during rearrangement. Any of the "at any time" exchanges should be active. (I'm not sure whether this is already done at times other than the game end.)
10 set 2022 9:40 • Acerbic • Bug confirmado pela equipa de desenvolvimento:
Your proposal is against the rules - you can only exchange animals "on your farmyard". Otherwise you could take 6 sheep without having any space to accommodate them and turn them into 6 vegetables.
As for the confirm timer, this is an optional setting that you can easily disable
As for the confirm timer, this is an optional setting that you can easily disable
25 out 2022 14:36 • Pedrorz89 • Bug confirmado pela equipa de desenvolvimento:
The issue has happened at boardgamearena.com/3/agricola?table=307559619 step 581
I had 3 sheep before the harvest (1 in my house, 2 in 2 stables), and food was auto-payed in feeding phase. However in breeding phase I could ONLY discard the 4th sheep, and the system did not allow me to go to exchange center to convert 1 (previously existing) sheep to vegetable. This should be allowed as it would not be against any rules.
I had 3 sheep before the harvest (1 in my house, 2 in 2 stables), and food was auto-payed in feeding phase. However in breeding phase I could ONLY discard the 4th sheep, and the system did not allow me to go to exchange center to convert 1 (previously existing) sheep to vegetable. This should be allowed as it would not be against any rules.
14 dez 2022 11:07 • Pedrorz89 • Bug confirmado pela equipa de desenvolvimento:
FYI I managed to convert sheep right after last breeding phase at the end of round 14.
The workaround is to set the "Auto reorganize" to manual so in case you breed animals, right after organizing them and hitting the CONFIRM button, you will have some seconds to enter Exchange mode.
In game boardgamearena.com/6/agricola?table=320215379&replayFrom=681 I could convert 2 sheep (1 newly bred and stored, and 1 previuosly existing) getting 2 valuable points deciding the game.
The workaround is to set the "Auto reorganize" to manual so in case you breed animals, right after organizing them and hitting the CONFIRM button, you will have some seconds to enter Exchange mode.
In game boardgamearena.com/6/agricola?table=320215379&replayFrom=681 I could convert 2 sheep (1 newly bred and stored, and 1 previuosly existing) getting 2 valuable points deciding the game.
13 abr 2023 1:30 • Felixroyale • Bug confirmado pela equipa de desenvolvimento:
I had both Sheep Walker and Sheep Whisperer in play, and then when a turn started and the game went to give me the sheep from Sheep Whisperer, it said I now had too many and forced me to discard without the option to use Sheep Walker.
13 fev 2024 22:56 • patrick7744 • Bug confirmado pela equipa de desenvolvimento:
This error continues to exist. See this match: boardgamearena.com/6/agricola?table=472320960#
At the end of the match I had four boars and five sheep, with no extra room. At the breeding phase I received one of each. I intended to convert one existing sheep to a vegetable, accept both new animals, and then convert three more sheep to vegetables, leaving me with five boars and two sheep. Instead I was forced to cook two sheep before accepting any newly bread animals, leaving me with insufficient sheep and costing me a point. I lost the game 51 points to 50. Very disappointing!
At the end of the match I had four boars and five sheep, with no extra room. At the breeding phase I received one of each. I intended to convert one existing sheep to a vegetable, accept both new animals, and then convert three more sheep to vegetables, leaving me with five boars and two sheep. Instead I was forced to cook two sheep before accepting any newly bread animals, leaving me with insufficient sheep and costing me a point. I lost the game 51 points to 50. Very disappointing!
16 fev 2024 16:58 • Acerbic • Bug confirmado pela equipa de desenvolvimento:
Hi Patrick, you had ample time to convert your sheep before the breeding phase, I don't quite see how this is a bug. Because of the restrictions on Sheepwalker, we can't allow conversions while newborn animals are pending
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