#69815: "Scoring with Black Powder unclear"
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The scoring rules (official PDF and Game Help) say:
> Your final score is the total of the top cards on the five piles
Applying the rule as written, in the final situation 4-5-5-5-5-3 (cf screenshot) we would expect score of 27.
The game calculates 22 (cf screenshot).
Now, the rule doesn't seem to make much sense for Black Powder as it would penalize playing more cards.
Therefore, I suspect the scoring rule needs a rephrasing for the (unofficial?) Black Powder variant:
> Your final score is the total number of played cards.
This results in the same scores for non-Black-Powder games, and extends nicely to Black-Powder games.
With that rule, the score in the above scenario should be 27 as well (incidentally, since the top-most black card was 3).
A clearer example would be 4-5-5-5-5-2 (with black the right-most number) which yields 26 with the official rules as written, and 28 with the proposed alternative.
Either way, the 22 the game calculates seems to be wrong.
(Hypothesis: It calculates the score as usual, ignoring black, and then subtracts the number of unplayed black cards. There's no precedences for that calculation in the available rules texts; if it _is_ intended, the scoring rules for the Black Powder variant should be given accordingly.) -
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Final State
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Firefox 103.0
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The scoring rules (official PDF and Game Help) say:
> Your final score is the total of the top cards on the five piles
Applying the rule as written, in the final situation 4-5-5-5-5-3 (cf screenshot) we would expect score of 27.
The game calculates 22 (cf screenshot).
Now, the rule doesn't seem to make much sense for Black Powder as it would penalize playing more cards.
Therefore, I suspect the scoring rule needs a rephrasing for the (unofficial?) Black Powder variant:
> Your final score is the total number of played cards.
This results in the same scores for non-Black-Powder games, and extends nicely to Black-Powder games.
With that rule, the score in the above scenario should be 27 as well (incidentally, since the top-most black card was 3).
A clearer example would be 4-5-5-5-5-2 (with black the right-most number) which yields 26 with the official rules as written, and 28 with the proposed alternative.
Either way, the 22 the game calculates seems to be wrong.
(Hypothesis: It calculates the score as usual, ignoring black, and then subtracts the number of unplayed black cards. There's no precedences for that calculation in the available rules texts; if it _is_ intended, the scoring rules for the Black Powder variant should be given accordingly.) • Qual navegador você está usando?
Firefox 103.0
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• Por favor, explique sua sugestão precisamente e de forma concisa, de forma que fique o mais fácil possível, entender o que você quer dizer.
The scoring rules (official PDF and Game Help) say:
> Your final score is the total of the top cards on the five piles
Applying the rule as written, in the final situation 4-5-5-5-5-3 (cf screenshot) we would expect score of 27.
The game calculates 22 (cf screenshot).
Now, the rule doesn't seem to make much sense for Black Powder as it would penalize playing more cards.
Therefore, I suspect the scoring rule needs a rephrasing for the (unofficial?) Black Powder variant:
> Your final score is the total number of played cards.
This results in the same scores for non-Black-Powder games, and extends nicely to Black-Powder games.
With that rule, the score in the above scenario should be 27 as well (incidentally, since the top-most black card was 3).
A clearer example would be 4-5-5-5-5-2 (with black the right-most number) which yields 26 with the official rules as written, and 28 with the proposed alternative.
Either way, the 22 the game calculates seems to be wrong.
(Hypothesis: It calculates the score as usual, ignoring black, and then subtracts the number of unplayed black cards. There's no precedences for that calculation in the available rules texts; if it _is_ intended, the scoring rules for the Black Powder variant should be given accordingly.) • Qual navegador você está usando?
Firefox 103.0
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• O que estava presente na tela quando você estava bloqueado (tela em branco? Parte da imagem do jogo? Mensagem de erro?)
The scoring rules (official PDF and Game Help) say:
> Your final score is the total of the top cards on the five piles
Applying the rule as written, in the final situation 4-5-5-5-5-3 (cf screenshot) we would expect score of 27.
The game calculates 22 (cf screenshot).
Now, the rule doesn't seem to make much sense for Black Powder as it would penalize playing more cards.
Therefore, I suspect the scoring rule needs a rephrasing for the (unofficial?) Black Powder variant:
> Your final score is the total number of played cards.
This results in the same scores for non-Black-Powder games, and extends nicely to Black-Powder games.
With that rule, the score in the above scenario should be 27 as well (incidentally, since the top-most black card was 3).
A clearer example would be 4-5-5-5-5-2 (with black the right-most number) which yields 26 with the official rules as written, and 28 with the proposed alternative.
Either way, the 22 the game calculates seems to be wrong.
(Hypothesis: It calculates the score as usual, ignoring black, and then subtracts the number of unplayed black cards. There's no precedences for that calculation in the available rules texts; if it _is_ intended, the scoring rules for the Black Powder variant should be given accordingly.) • Qual navegador você está usando?
Firefox 103.0
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• Que parte das regras não foi respeitada pela adaptação do BGA?
The scoring rules (official PDF and Game Help) say:
> Your final score is the total of the top cards on the five piles
Applying the rule as written, in the final situation 4-5-5-5-5-3 (cf screenshot) we would expect score of 27.
The game calculates 22 (cf screenshot).
Now, the rule doesn't seem to make much sense for Black Powder as it would penalize playing more cards.
Therefore, I suspect the scoring rule needs a rephrasing for the (unofficial?) Black Powder variant:
> Your final score is the total number of played cards.
This results in the same scores for non-Black-Powder games, and extends nicely to Black-Powder games.
With that rule, the score in the above scenario should be 27 as well (incidentally, since the top-most black card was 3).
A clearer example would be 4-5-5-5-5-2 (with black the right-most number) which yields 26 with the official rules as written, and 28 with the proposed alternative.
Either way, the 22 the game calculates seems to be wrong.
(Hypothesis: It calculates the score as usual, ignoring black, and then subtracts the number of unplayed black cards. There's no precedences for that calculation in the available rules texts; if it _is_ intended, the scoring rules for the Black Powder variant should be given accordingly.) -
• A violação de regras está visível na revisão do jogo? Se sim, em que número de jogada?
Final State
• Qual navegador você está usando?
Firefox 103.0
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• Qual era a ação de jogo que queria fazer?
The scoring rules (official PDF and Game Help) say:
> Your final score is the total of the top cards on the five piles
Applying the rule as written, in the final situation 4-5-5-5-5-3 (cf screenshot) we would expect score of 27.
The game calculates 22 (cf screenshot).
Now, the rule doesn't seem to make much sense for Black Powder as it would penalize playing more cards.
Therefore, I suspect the scoring rule needs a rephrasing for the (unofficial?) Black Powder variant:
> Your final score is the total number of played cards.
This results in the same scores for non-Black-Powder games, and extends nicely to Black-Powder games.
With that rule, the score in the above scenario should be 27 as well (incidentally, since the top-most black card was 3).
A clearer example would be 4-5-5-5-5-2 (with black the right-most number) which yields 26 with the official rules as written, and 28 with the proposed alternative.
Either way, the 22 the game calculates seems to be wrong.
(Hypothesis: It calculates the score as usual, ignoring black, and then subtracts the number of unplayed black cards. There's no precedences for that calculation in the available rules texts; if it _is_ intended, the scoring rules for the Black Powder variant should be given accordingly.) -
• O que você tentou fazer para provocar esta ação de jogo?
Final State
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• O que aconteceu quando tentou fazer isto(mensagem de erro, mensagem na barra de estado do jogo)?
• Qual navegador você está usando?
Firefox 103.0
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• Em que passo do jogo ocorre o problema(qual era a instrução corrente do jogo)?
The scoring rules (official PDF and Game Help) say:
> Your final score is the total of the top cards on the five piles
Applying the rule as written, in the final situation 4-5-5-5-5-3 (cf screenshot) we would expect score of 27.
The game calculates 22 (cf screenshot).
Now, the rule doesn't seem to make much sense for Black Powder as it would penalize playing more cards.
Therefore, I suspect the scoring rule needs a rephrasing for the (unofficial?) Black Powder variant:
> Your final score is the total number of played cards.
This results in the same scores for non-Black-Powder games, and extends nicely to Black-Powder games.
With that rule, the score in the above scenario should be 27 as well (incidentally, since the top-most black card was 3).
A clearer example would be 4-5-5-5-5-2 (with black the right-most number) which yields 26 with the official rules as written, and 28 with the proposed alternative.
Either way, the 22 the game calculates seems to be wrong.
(Hypothesis: It calculates the score as usual, ignoring black, and then subtracts the number of unplayed black cards. There's no precedences for that calculation in the available rules texts; if it _is_ intended, the scoring rules for the Black Powder variant should be given accordingly.) -
• O que aconteceu quando tentou fazer essa ação de jogo (mensagem de erro, mensagem na barra de estado do jogo)?
Final State
• Qual navegador você está usando?
Firefox 103.0
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• Por favor descreva o problema de visualização. Se você tiver uma captura de tela desse bug (boa prática), pode usar um serviço de hospedagem de imagens de sua escolha (por exemplo, snipboard.io) para enviá-la e copiar/colar o link aqui.
The scoring rules (official PDF and Game Help) say:
> Your final score is the total of the top cards on the five piles
Applying the rule as written, in the final situation 4-5-5-5-5-3 (cf screenshot) we would expect score of 27.
The game calculates 22 (cf screenshot).
Now, the rule doesn't seem to make much sense for Black Powder as it would penalize playing more cards.
Therefore, I suspect the scoring rule needs a rephrasing for the (unofficial?) Black Powder variant:
> Your final score is the total number of played cards.
This results in the same scores for non-Black-Powder games, and extends nicely to Black-Powder games.
With that rule, the score in the above scenario should be 27 as well (incidentally, since the top-most black card was 3).
A clearer example would be 4-5-5-5-5-2 (with black the right-most number) which yields 26 with the official rules as written, and 28 with the proposed alternative.
Either way, the 22 the game calculates seems to be wrong.
(Hypothesis: It calculates the score as usual, ignoring black, and then subtracts the number of unplayed black cards. There's no precedences for that calculation in the available rules texts; if it _is_ intended, the scoring rules for the Black Powder variant should be given accordingly.) • Qual navegador você está usando?
Firefox 103.0
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• Por favor copie/cole o texto em inglês em vez de sua língua. Se você tiver uma captura de tela desse bug (boa prática), pode usar um serviço de hospedagem de imagens de sua escolha (por exemplo, snipboard.io) para enviá-la e copiar/colar o link aqui. Este texto está disponível no sistema de traduções? Se sim, foi traduzido há mais de 24 horas?
The scoring rules (official PDF and Game Help) say:
> Your final score is the total of the top cards on the five piles
Applying the rule as written, in the final situation 4-5-5-5-5-3 (cf screenshot) we would expect score of 27.
The game calculates 22 (cf screenshot).
Now, the rule doesn't seem to make much sense for Black Powder as it would penalize playing more cards.
Therefore, I suspect the scoring rule needs a rephrasing for the (unofficial?) Black Powder variant:
> Your final score is the total number of played cards.
This results in the same scores for non-Black-Powder games, and extends nicely to Black-Powder games.
With that rule, the score in the above scenario should be 27 as well (incidentally, since the top-most black card was 3).
A clearer example would be 4-5-5-5-5-2 (with black the right-most number) which yields 26 with the official rules as written, and 28 with the proposed alternative.
Either way, the 22 the game calculates seems to be wrong.
(Hypothesis: It calculates the score as usual, ignoring black, and then subtracts the number of unplayed black cards. There's no precedences for that calculation in the available rules texts; if it _is_ intended, the scoring rules for the Black Powder variant should be given accordingly.) • Qual navegador você está usando?
Firefox 103.0
-
• Por favor, explique sua sugestão precisamente e de forma concisa, de forma que fique o mais fácil possível, entender o que você quer dizer.
The scoring rules (official PDF and Game Help) say:
> Your final score is the total of the top cards on the five piles
Applying the rule as written, in the final situation 4-5-5-5-5-3 (cf screenshot) we would expect score of 27.
The game calculates 22 (cf screenshot).
Now, the rule doesn't seem to make much sense for Black Powder as it would penalize playing more cards.
Therefore, I suspect the scoring rule needs a rephrasing for the (unofficial?) Black Powder variant:
> Your final score is the total number of played cards.
This results in the same scores for non-Black-Powder games, and extends nicely to Black-Powder games.
With that rule, the score in the above scenario should be 27 as well (incidentally, since the top-most black card was 3).
A clearer example would be 4-5-5-5-5-2 (with black the right-most number) which yields 26 with the official rules as written, and 28 with the proposed alternative.
Either way, the 22 the game calculates seems to be wrong.
(Hypothesis: It calculates the score as usual, ignoring black, and then subtracts the number of unplayed black cards. There's no precedences for that calculation in the available rules texts; if it _is_ intended, the scoring rules for the Black Powder variant should be given accordingly.) • Qual navegador você está usando?
Firefox 103.0
Histórico do relatório
Your bug has probably been fixed already, or was linked to a temporary failure of BGA service.
In any case, when filling a bug report, make sure to have an explicit title linked to the incident (ex: with error message), so other players can recognize it and vote for it.
So, if you play with 5 colors + Black (= 6 colors), you can reach -5 + (6 × 5) = 25 points and not 30
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