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#56504: "Swiss System repeatedly pairs the top-ranked player against the bottom-ranked player"
#56504: "Swiss System repeatedly pairs the top-ranked player against the bottom-ranked player"
O que aconteceu ? Por favor escolha abaixo
Algo não funcionou corretamente durante o uso do site (não durante um jogo)
O que aconteceu ? Por favor escolha abaixo
Algo não funcionou corretamente durante o uso do site (não durante um jogo)
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• Por favor copie e cole a mensagem de erro que aparece na tela, se possível.
not applicable• Por favor explique o que queria fazer, o que fez e o que aconteceu
Please look at this tournament: boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=104287
It's "Swiss system" with "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice". I am Mathew5000 and have been at the top of the standings for almost the whole tournament. There's only 18 players (after 2 withdrew) and 20 matches.
For the last four matches of the tournament ("Step 17" through "Step 20") I was paired against Amelie1605 every time. That should not happen because "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice" is checked. But it especially should not happen because Amelie1605 is at the bottom of the standings while I am at the top of the standings; in Swiss System, I should be playing other players near the top of the standings, not the player at the bottom four times.
This is very unfair to the other players.• Qual navegador você está usando?
irrelevant
• Por favor copie/cole o texto em inglês em vez de sua língua. Se tiver uma captura de ecrã/tela deste problema (boa prática), pode usar Imgur.com para carregá-la e copiar/colar o endereço aqui.
not applicable• Este texto está disponível no sistema de traduções? Se sim, foi traduzido há mais de 24 horas?
Please look at this tournament: boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=104287
It's "Swiss system" with "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice". I am Mathew5000 and have been at the top of the standings for almost the whole tournament. There's only 18 players (after 2 withdrew) and 20 matches.
For the last four matches of the tournament ("Step 17" through "Step 20") I was paired against Amelie1605 every time. That should not happen because "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice" is checked. But it especially should not happen because Amelie1605 is at the bottom of the standings while I am at the top of the standings; in Swiss System, I should be playing other players near the top of the standings, not the player at the bottom four times.
This is very unfair to the other players.• Qual navegador você está usando?
irrelevant
• Por favor, explique sua sugestão precisamente e de forma concisa, de forma que fique o mais fácil possível, entender o que você quer dizer.
not applicable• Qual navegador você está usando?
irrelevant
• O que estava presente no ecrã/tela quando ficou bloqueado (Ecrã/tela em branco? Parte da imagem de jogo? Mensagem de erro?)
not applicable• Qual navegador você está usando?
irrelevant
• Que parte das regras não foi respeitada pela adaptação do BGA?
not applicable• A violação de regras está visível na revisão do jogo? Se sim, em que número de jogada?
Please look at this tournament: boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=104287
It's "Swiss system" with "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice". I am Mathew5000 and have been at the top of the standings for almost the whole tournament. There's only 18 players (after 2 withdrew) and 20 matches.
For the last four matches of the tournament ("Step 17" through "Step 20") I was paired against Amelie1605 every time. That should not happen because "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice" is checked. But it especially should not happen because Amelie1605 is at the bottom of the standings while I am at the top of the standings; in Swiss System, I should be playing other players near the top of the standings, not the player at the bottom four times.
This is very unfair to the other players.• Qual navegador você está usando?
irrelevant
• Qual era a acção de jogo que queria fazer?
not applicable• O que tenta fazer para provocar esta acção de jogo?
Please look at this tournament: boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=104287
It's "Swiss system" with "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice". I am Mathew5000 and have been at the top of the standings for almost the whole tournament. There's only 18 players (after 2 withdrew) and 20 matches.
For the last four matches of the tournament ("Step 17" through "Step 20") I was paired against Amelie1605 every time. That should not happen because "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice" is checked. But it especially should not happen because Amelie1605 is at the bottom of the standings while I am at the top of the standings; in Swiss System, I should be playing other players near the top of the standings, not the player at the bottom four times.
This is very unfair to the other players.• O que aconteceu quando tentou fazer isto(mensagem de erro, mensagem na barra de estado do jogo)?
• Qual navegador você está usando?
irrelevant
• Em que passo do jogo ocorre o problema(qual era a instrução corrente do jogo)?
not applicable• O que aconteceu quando tentou fazer uma acção de jogo(mensagem de erro, mensagem na barra de estado do jogo)?
Please look at this tournament: boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=104287
It's "Swiss system" with "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice". I am Mathew5000 and have been at the top of the standings for almost the whole tournament. There's only 18 players (after 2 withdrew) and 20 matches.
For the last four matches of the tournament ("Step 17" through "Step 20") I was paired against Amelie1605 every time. That should not happen because "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice" is checked. But it especially should not happen because Amelie1605 is at the bottom of the standings while I am at the top of the standings; in Swiss System, I should be playing other players near the top of the standings, not the player at the bottom four times.
This is very unfair to the other players.• Qual navegador você está usando?
irrelevant
• Por favor descreva o problema de visualização. Se tiver uma captura de ecrã/tela deste problema (boa prática), pode usar Imgur.com para carregá-la e copiar/colar o endereço aqui.
not applicable• Qual navegador você está usando?
irrelevant
• Por favor copie/cole o texto em inglês em vez de sua língua. Se tiver uma captura de ecrã/tela deste problema (boa prática), pode usar Imgur.com para carregá-la e copiar/colar o endereço aqui.
not applicable• Este texto está disponível no sistema de traduções? Se sim, foi traduzido há mais de 24 horas?
Please look at this tournament: boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=104287
It's "Swiss system" with "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice". I am Mathew5000 and have been at the top of the standings for almost the whole tournament. There's only 18 players (after 2 withdrew) and 20 matches.
For the last four matches of the tournament ("Step 17" through "Step 20") I was paired against Amelie1605 every time. That should not happen because "try to prevent same players to be opponents twice" is checked. But it especially should not happen because Amelie1605 is at the bottom of the standings while I am at the top of the standings; in Swiss System, I should be playing other players near the top of the standings, not the player at the bottom four times.
This is very unfair to the other players.• Qual navegador você está usando?
irrelevant
• Por favor, explique sua sugestão precisamente e de forma concisa, de forma que fique o mais fácil possível, entender o que você quer dizer.
not applicable• Qual navegador você está usando?
irrelevant
Histórico do relatório
5 jan 2022 21:26 • Mathew5000 • Bug não foi reproduzido pela equipa de desenvolvimento ainda:
Screenshots of pairings and standings: www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-KXMWsD/
5 fev 2022 11:56 • mrdoctor • Bug não foi reproduzido pela equipa de desenvolvimento ainda:
It seems like Swiss system tournaments make the matching algorithm go weird once it gets through one cycle of its normal attempt to not match people twice, and will then just match the same players multiple games in a row with no changing it up
20 jan 2023 4:23 • Mathew5000 • Bug não foi reproduzido pela equipa de desenvolvimento ainda:
Discussed in the Forums in December 2022 / January 2023 here:
boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28338
boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28338
5 jun 2023 5:36 • BBT • Bug não foi reproduzido pela equipa de desenvolvimento ainda:
boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=154738
Happened in rounds 14+ of this tournament
Happened in rounds 14+ of this tournament
4 out 2023 17:28 • Superluminal • Bug não foi reproduzido pela equipa de desenvolvimento ainda:
I can attest to this issue. I am currently tied at the top of the leaderboard in a tournament that has been ongoing for over three months. This tournament features 3-player Tash-Kalar Deathmatch games. The pairing policy "Try to prevent the same players from being opponents twice" is activated for this event. Despite having played against each participant once, I've found myself repeatedly matched against the same players. My username is superluminal. You can verify the pairings here:
boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=184247
From games 12 to 16 (current game), I've been paired with one player 4 out of the 5 times. Another player has been my opponent in 3 out of these 5 games. Notably, both of these players are at the bottom of the leaderboard. I'm currently sharing the first place with rogernunn1. I fail to understand the logic of pairing players from the top of the leaderboard with those at the bottom, particularly towards the tail end of the tournament. This is the point where top contenders should ideally be pitted against one another to determine the final winner.
Rogernunn1 faces a similar issue. He's been matched with the same player for the fifth consecutive game, a player who seems to have abandoned the tournament and has not done any moves since a long time.
It's deeply frustrating to experience such irregularities, especially after dedicating so much time to a long tournament. I have been desperately waiting for a challenging match against rogernunn1, eager for a good fight. It's only logical that those at the top of the leaderboard should play against one another to determine the ultimate winner. Ideally, players like rogernunn1 and I should be paired, or at the very least, against others with high scores. I suspect that players at the lower end of the leaderboard aren't enjoying this any more than we are, continually finding themselves outmatched by the top contenders.
boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=184247
From games 12 to 16 (current game), I've been paired with one player 4 out of the 5 times. Another player has been my opponent in 3 out of these 5 games. Notably, both of these players are at the bottom of the leaderboard. I'm currently sharing the first place with rogernunn1. I fail to understand the logic of pairing players from the top of the leaderboard with those at the bottom, particularly towards the tail end of the tournament. This is the point where top contenders should ideally be pitted against one another to determine the final winner.
Rogernunn1 faces a similar issue. He's been matched with the same player for the fifth consecutive game, a player who seems to have abandoned the tournament and has not done any moves since a long time.
It's deeply frustrating to experience such irregularities, especially after dedicating so much time to a long tournament. I have been desperately waiting for a challenging match against rogernunn1, eager for a good fight. It's only logical that those at the top of the leaderboard should play against one another to determine the ultimate winner. Ideally, players like rogernunn1 and I should be paired, or at the very least, against others with high scores. I suspect that players at the lower end of the leaderboard aren't enjoying this any more than we are, continually finding themselves outmatched by the top contenders.
17 out 2023 10:33 • Arxij • Bug não foi reproduzido pela equipa de desenvolvimento ainda:
Another example with the same issue /tournament?id=185083#stage_display
17 out 2023 10:34 • Arxij • Bug não foi reproduzido pela equipa de desenvolvimento ainda:
*correct link boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=185083#stage_display
7 jan 2024 16:39 • redeemedmonkeycma • Bug não foi reproduzido pela equipa de desenvolvimento ainda:
Here's another example.
boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=249834
Top player matched with bottom 3 for rounds 8&9, and with two of them for rounds 6,7,8,9
Perhaps in the interim, you should caution people not to play more rounds of swiss than floor((total registered -1) / (# of opponents per game)). Or caution that there is a live bug with option ""Try to prevent the same players from being opponents twice"
boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=249834
Top player matched with bottom 3 for rounds 8&9, and with two of them for rounds 6,7,8,9
Perhaps in the interim, you should caution people not to play more rounds of swiss than floor((total registered -1) / (# of opponents per game)). Or caution that there is a live bug with option ""Try to prevent the same players from being opponents twice"
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Por favor, adicione aqui qualquer coisa que pareça relevante para a reprodução deste bug ou o entendimento de sua sugestão:
- Outro ID de mesa / ID de jogada
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- O problema aparece várias vezes? Sempre? Imprevisivelmente?
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