#132280: ""First play random" takes presidence over all other rules"
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• Por favor copie e cole a mensagem de erro que aparece na tela, se possível.
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
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"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • Qual navegador você está usando?
Google Chrome v127
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• Por favor, explique sua sugestão precisamente e de forma concisa, de forma que fique o mais fácil possível, entender o que você quer dizer.
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • Qual navegador você está usando?
Google Chrome v127
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• O que estava presente na tela quando você estava bloqueado (tela em branco? Parte da imagem do jogo? Mensagem de erro?)
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • Qual navegador você está usando?
Google Chrome v127
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• Que parte das regras não foi respeitada pela adaptação do BGA?
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• A violação de regras está visível na revisão do jogo? Se sim, em que número de jogada?
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Google Chrome v127
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• Qual era a ação de jogo que queria fazer?
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• O que você tentou fazer para provocar esta ação de jogo?
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• O que aconteceu quando tentou fazer isto(mensagem de erro, mensagem na barra de estado do jogo)?
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Google Chrome v127
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• Em que passo do jogo ocorre o problema(qual era a instrução corrente do jogo)?
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• O que aconteceu quando tentou fazer essa ação de jogo (mensagem de erro, mensagem na barra de estado do jogo)?
Move 85
• Qual navegador você está usando?
Google Chrome v127
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"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • Qual navegador você está usando?
Google Chrome v127
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• Por favor copie/cole o texto em inglês em vez de sua língua. Se você tiver uma captura de tela desse bug (boa prática), pode usar um serviço de hospedagem de imagens de sua escolha (por exemplo, snipboard.io) para enviá-la e copiar/colar o link aqui. Este texto está disponível no sistema de traduções? Se sim, foi traduzido há mais de 24 horas?
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • Qual navegador você está usando?
Google Chrome v127
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• Por favor, explique sua sugestão precisamente e de forma concisa, de forma que fique o mais fácil possível, entender o que você quer dizer.
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • Qual navegador você está usando?
Google Chrome v127
Histórico do relatório
We have always played and interpreted First Play Random in the sense that really the very first thing that you do in your turn, must be a random hand card play.
So there is no way to escape this randomness by using any of the special Rule cards that you mention.
I have been searching the Looney Labs faq for a definitive answer on the correct interpretation either way, but I can’t seem to find it.
But either way, even if they would confirm you are right, I am afraid it would be a very invasive fix that would take a lot of work, and with many card interactions possibly leading to other new bugs.
All in all, it just seems too much work and risk, specially since the game was released on BGA over 3 years ago already.
Thanks for the report though, and I hope you keep playing and enjoying Fluxx!
At the same time, the description still says "the first card you play", so maybe @Oxtrosk's interpretation is correct. Furthermore, it could be argued that the "swap plays for draws" card technically meets the condition that "the current rule cards allow you to play only one card", allowing the "first play random" card to be skipped
(I know this discussion is pointless since @wolmot has made the final decision. I just felt like looking into it anyway)
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