#110003: "Randomize seat order when playing a rematch "
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We just started a (7 player) rematch and as far as I can tell we are seated in exactly the same places. This can have a pretty big impact in a game like this with such high neighbor interaction; I recommend that you implement truly random seat order, for reasons of fair competition, but also because it's fun to switch things up and play off of different people's styles.
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We just started a (7 player) rematch and as far as I can tell we are seated in exactly the same places. This can have a pretty big impact in a game like this with such high neighbor interaction; I recommend that you implement truly random seat order, for reasons of fair competition, but also because it's fun to switch things up and play off of different people's styles.
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• Por favor, explique sua sugestão precisamente e de forma concisa, de forma que fique o mais fácil possível, entender o que você quer dizer.
We just started a (7 player) rematch and as far as I can tell we are seated in exactly the same places. This can have a pretty big impact in a game like this with such high neighbor interaction; I recommend that you implement truly random seat order, for reasons of fair competition, but also because it's fun to switch things up and play off of different people's styles.
• Qual navegador você está usando?
Google Chrome v120
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• O que estava presente na tela quando você estava bloqueado (tela em branco? Parte da imagem do jogo? Mensagem de erro?)
We just started a (7 player) rematch and as far as I can tell we are seated in exactly the same places. This can have a pretty big impact in a game like this with such high neighbor interaction; I recommend that you implement truly random seat order, for reasons of fair competition, but also because it's fun to switch things up and play off of different people's styles.
• Qual navegador você está usando?
Google Chrome v120
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• Que parte das regras não foi respeitada pela adaptação do BGA?
We just started a (7 player) rematch and as far as I can tell we are seated in exactly the same places. This can have a pretty big impact in a game like this with such high neighbor interaction; I recommend that you implement truly random seat order, for reasons of fair competition, but also because it's fun to switch things up and play off of different people's styles.
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• A violação de regras está visível na revisão do jogo? Se sim, em que número de jogada?
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• Qual era a ação de jogo que queria fazer?
We just started a (7 player) rematch and as far as I can tell we are seated in exactly the same places. This can have a pretty big impact in a game like this with such high neighbor interaction; I recommend that you implement truly random seat order, for reasons of fair competition, but also because it's fun to switch things up and play off of different people's styles.
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• O que você tentou fazer para provocar esta ação de jogo?
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• O que aconteceu quando tentou fazer isto(mensagem de erro, mensagem na barra de estado do jogo)?
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Google Chrome v120
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• Em que passo do jogo ocorre o problema(qual era a instrução corrente do jogo)?
We just started a (7 player) rematch and as far as I can tell we are seated in exactly the same places. This can have a pretty big impact in a game like this with such high neighbor interaction; I recommend that you implement truly random seat order, for reasons of fair competition, but also because it's fun to switch things up and play off of different people's styles.
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• O que aconteceu quando tentou fazer essa ação de jogo (mensagem de erro, mensagem na barra de estado do jogo)?
• Qual navegador você está usando?
Google Chrome v120
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• Por favor descreva o problema de visualização. Se tiver uma captura de ecrã/tela deste problema (boa prática), pode usar Imgur.com para carregá-la e copiar/colar o endereço aqui.
We just started a (7 player) rematch and as far as I can tell we are seated in exactly the same places. This can have a pretty big impact in a game like this with such high neighbor interaction; I recommend that you implement truly random seat order, for reasons of fair competition, but also because it's fun to switch things up and play off of different people's styles.
• Qual navegador você está usando?
Google Chrome v120
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• Por favor copie/cole o texto em inglês em vez de sua língua. Se tiver uma captura de ecrã/tela deste problema (boa prática), pode usar Imgur.com para carregá-la e copiar/colar o endereço aqui.
We just started a (7 player) rematch and as far as I can tell we are seated in exactly the same places. This can have a pretty big impact in a game like this with such high neighbor interaction; I recommend that you implement truly random seat order, for reasons of fair competition, but also because it's fun to switch things up and play off of different people's styles.
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• Este texto está disponível no sistema de traduções? Se sim, foi traduzido há mais de 24 horas?
• Qual navegador você está usando?
Google Chrome v120
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• Por favor, explique sua sugestão precisamente e de forma concisa, de forma que fique o mais fácil possível, entender o que você quer dizer.
We just started a (7 player) rematch and as far as I can tell we are seated in exactly the same places. This can have a pretty big impact in a game like this with such high neighbor interaction; I recommend that you implement truly random seat order, for reasons of fair competition, but also because it's fun to switch things up and play off of different people's styles.
• Qual navegador você está usando?
Google Chrome v120
Histórico do relatório
As game developers, we can control aspects of the game's specific implementation. We're not BGA employees, so we have no access to configure servers, elo ranking, turn timeouts, connectivity, etc.
Closing as not a game bug, but feel free to file a bug on the site level if this is a recurring problem for you.
That may be, but bear with me as I think I've found something worth trying. Specifically it looks like you have a variable available to you as devs:
> I believe the site already does what you're requesting when you do a rematch...maybe this should be marked as implemented?
No, we did make this game with the rematch button, and it did claim in the log that "Rematch with the exact same players detected: player order has been swapped." But, this is not true, they put us in the same seats. [This forum post](forum.boardgamearena.com/viewtopic.php?p=157139#p157139) says that what that message really means (contrary to its plain English) is that the player positions are identical but the first player has rotated by one. For a simultaneous-action game such as this, that means nothing changes at all. :(
Another message in that thread suggests that you can disable this rotation behavior: en.doc.boardgamearena.com/Game_meta-information:_gameinfos.inc.php#Disable_player_rotation_in_case_of_rematch
> // When doing a rematch, the player order is swapped using a "rotation" so the starting player is not the same
> // If you want to disable this, set this to true (even if the comment in your game file say the opposite).
> 'disable_player_order_swap_on_rematch' => false,
What would you like changed within the game's implementation given that we have no way of knowing whether this is a rematch?
I may have that wrong, but at the very least swapping order is useless for this game, if not actively counterproductive.
Here are some other threads I dug up about this:
forum.boardgamearena.com/viewtopic.php?p=45229#p45229 shows when it was originally implemented, mainly to appease players of 2p games, but affecting everyone
forum.boardgamearena.com/viewtopic.php?p=46949#p46949 shows the same site-wide dev defending the deterministic ordering, on the grounds that lots of people asked for it (linking back to the first thread).
But again, in the case of The Great Split, there is no upside to this turn order rotation, so IMO `disable-player-order-swap = True` will be a big improvement for your players.
Your second link even supports what I'm saying: This is controlled by BGA, not by individual game implementations.
What would you like changed *within this game's implementation* given that we have no way of knowing whether this is a rematch?
One step towards this goal is to turn off this (IMO ill-conceived) seat rotation feature. I suspect that would randomize all seatings, which is what I prefer, but even if it only shuffled us around some of the time, that would be an improvement.
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