#62942: "90% win after picking wonders. An easy way to equalize the initial odds"
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There are often situations in the game (i'm mostly speaking about vanilla version now) when the outcome of the game is predetermined after the choice of wonders. Replays and the starting move give a serious advantage. If the first player got 3 wonders with replays, and the second got only one (plus theology is not among the science tokens), then the first player will win with a probability of more than 90% (if he is not a newbie, of course).
There is a simple solution. Before the start, the second player should be given a choice in which of the two fours he will choose a wonder first, and in which – second. Then the situation described above will not happen and the starting chances will always be within 40–60%. -
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There are often situations in the game (i'm mostly speaking about vanilla version now) when the outcome of the game is predetermined after the choice of wonders. Replays and the starting move give a serious advantage. If the first player got 3 wonders with replays, and the second got only one (plus theology is not among the science tokens), then the first player will win with a probability of more than 90% (if he is not a newbie, of course).
There is a simple solution. Before the start, the second player should be given a choice in which of the two fours he will choose a wonder first, and in which – second. Then the situation described above will not happen and the starting chances will always be within 40–60%. -
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There are often situations in the game (i'm mostly speaking about vanilla version now) when the outcome of the game is predetermined after the choice of wonders. Replays and the starting move give a serious advantage. If the first player got 3 wonders with replays, and the second got only one (plus theology is not among the science tokens), then the first player will win with a probability of more than 90% (if he is not a newbie, of course).
There is a simple solution. Before the start, the second player should be given a choice in which of the two fours he will choose a wonder first, and in which – second. Then the situation described above will not happen and the starting chances will always be within 40–60%. • Qual navegador você está usando?
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There are often situations in the game (i'm mostly speaking about vanilla version now) when the outcome of the game is predetermined after the choice of wonders. Replays and the starting move give a serious advantage. If the first player got 3 wonders with replays, and the second got only one (plus theology is not among the science tokens), then the first player will win with a probability of more than 90% (if he is not a newbie, of course).
There is a simple solution. Before the start, the second player should be given a choice in which of the two fours he will choose a wonder first, and in which – second. Then the situation described above will not happen and the starting chances will always be within 40–60%. • Qual navegador você está usando?
Google Chrome v100
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• Que parte das regras não foi respeitada pela adaptação do BGA?
There are often situations in the game (i'm mostly speaking about vanilla version now) when the outcome of the game is predetermined after the choice of wonders. Replays and the starting move give a serious advantage. If the first player got 3 wonders with replays, and the second got only one (plus theology is not among the science tokens), then the first player will win with a probability of more than 90% (if he is not a newbie, of course).
There is a simple solution. Before the start, the second player should be given a choice in which of the two fours he will choose a wonder first, and in which – second. Then the situation described above will not happen and the starting chances will always be within 40–60%. -
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• Qual era a ação de jogo que queria fazer?
There are often situations in the game (i'm mostly speaking about vanilla version now) when the outcome of the game is predetermined after the choice of wonders. Replays and the starting move give a serious advantage. If the first player got 3 wonders with replays, and the second got only one (plus theology is not among the science tokens), then the first player will win with a probability of more than 90% (if he is not a newbie, of course).
There is a simple solution. Before the start, the second player should be given a choice in which of the two fours he will choose a wonder first, and in which – second. Then the situation described above will not happen and the starting chances will always be within 40–60%. -
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• Em que passo do jogo ocorre o problema(qual era a instrução corrente do jogo)?
There are often situations in the game (i'm mostly speaking about vanilla version now) when the outcome of the game is predetermined after the choice of wonders. Replays and the starting move give a serious advantage. If the first player got 3 wonders with replays, and the second got only one (plus theology is not among the science tokens), then the first player will win with a probability of more than 90% (if he is not a newbie, of course).
There is a simple solution. Before the start, the second player should be given a choice in which of the two fours he will choose a wonder first, and in which – second. Then the situation described above will not happen and the starting chances will always be within 40–60%. -
• O que aconteceu quando tentou fazer essa ação de jogo (mensagem de erro, mensagem na barra de estado do jogo)?
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Google Chrome v100
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There are often situations in the game (i'm mostly speaking about vanilla version now) when the outcome of the game is predetermined after the choice of wonders. Replays and the starting move give a serious advantage. If the first player got 3 wonders with replays, and the second got only one (plus theology is not among the science tokens), then the first player will win with a probability of more than 90% (if he is not a newbie, of course).
There is a simple solution. Before the start, the second player should be given a choice in which of the two fours he will choose a wonder first, and in which – second. Then the situation described above will not happen and the starting chances will always be within 40–60%. • Qual navegador você está usando?
Google Chrome v100
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• Por favor copie/cole o texto em inglês em vez de sua língua. Se tiver uma captura de ecrã/tela deste problema (boa prática), pode usar Imgur.com para carregá-la e copiar/colar o endereço aqui.
There are often situations in the game (i'm mostly speaking about vanilla version now) when the outcome of the game is predetermined after the choice of wonders. Replays and the starting move give a serious advantage. If the first player got 3 wonders with replays, and the second got only one (plus theology is not among the science tokens), then the first player will win with a probability of more than 90% (if he is not a newbie, of course).
There is a simple solution. Before the start, the second player should be given a choice in which of the two fours he will choose a wonder first, and in which – second. Then the situation described above will not happen and the starting chances will always be within 40–60%. -
• Este texto está disponível no sistema de traduções? Se sim, foi traduzido há mais de 24 horas?
• Qual navegador você está usando?
Google Chrome v100
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• Por favor, explique sua sugestão precisamente e de forma concisa, de forma que fique o mais fácil possível, entender o que você quer dizer.
There are often situations in the game (i'm mostly speaking about vanilla version now) when the outcome of the game is predetermined after the choice of wonders. Replays and the starting move give a serious advantage. If the first player got 3 wonders with replays, and the second got only one (plus theology is not among the science tokens), then the first player will win with a probability of more than 90% (if he is not a newbie, of course).
There is a simple solution. Before the start, the second player should be given a choice in which of the two fours he will choose a wonder first, and in which – second. Then the situation described above will not happen and the starting chances will always be within 40–60%. • Qual navegador você está usando?
Google Chrome v100
Histórico do relatório
Dura 10min la partida... Si cree el 10% de probabilidad de victoria es poco, conceder la victoria al rival y empezar nuevamente otra partida.
Lo que si, sugieren al final, puede ser opción de configuración en la modalidad de juego, siempre con la aprobación necesaria de autor, editor, diseñador, desarrollador, etc.
The paper suggests that 7WD with its current rules has a win rate of around 67% for the first player. It also suggests that the go-again wonders are the most valuable (in-line with human experience).
I suggest that any alternate variations of wonder selection are made with balancing the overall game in mind, and offered as variations on setup to allow players to still play by the published rules if they wish, or these variants.
In summary these variants as described in the paper are:
<quote>
In these variants, the player making the first decision is not
necessarily the same as the player starting age I. Therefore,
we refer to the two players as Aristotle and Cleopatra. We
report the estimated win rate for Cleopatra.
• Variant 1 (60.0% win rate): After seeing the first 4
wonders, Aristotle decides whether to start the first draft;
the other player starts the second draft. Cleopatra starts
age I. This variant is known within the 7WD community.
• Variant 2 (54.6% win rate): In both the first and sec-
ond draft, after seeing the 4 wonders, Aristotle decides
whether to start the draft. Cleopatra starts age I. The win
rate is comparable to the expected score for white in
Chess, deemed acceptable for competitive play.
• Variant 3 (51.6% win rate): Aristotle sees all 8 available
wonders; he assigns 4 to the player starting age I and
the remaining 4 to the other player. Cleopatra then
decides whether to start age I. This can be considered
an “expert variant”, as optimal play requires an advanced
understanding of the strengths of the wonders.
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