#21728: "Safeguards to prevent poor bids (e.g. bidding Ultimo without the Pagat)"
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In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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Google Chrome v84
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• Por favor, explique sua sugestão precisamente e de forma concisa, de forma que fique o mais fácil possível, entender o que você quer dizer.
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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• Que parte das regras não foi respeitada pela adaptação do BGA?
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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• O que você tentou fazer para provocar esta ação de jogo?
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• Em que passo do jogo ocorre o problema(qual era a instrução corrente do jogo)?
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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• O que aconteceu quando tentou fazer essa ação de jogo (mensagem de erro, mensagem na barra de estado do jogo)?
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Google Chrome v84
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In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
• Qual navegador você está usando?
Google Chrome v84
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• Por favor copie/cole o texto em inglês em vez de sua língua. Se você tiver uma captura de tela desse bug (boa prática), pode usar um serviço de hospedagem de imagens de sua escolha (por exemplo, snipboard.io) para enviá-la e copiar/colar o link aqui. Este texto está disponível no sistema de traduções? Se sim, foi traduzido há mais de 24 horas?
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
• Qual navegador você está usando?
Google Chrome v84
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• Por favor, explique sua sugestão precisamente e de forma concisa, de forma que fique o mais fácil possível, entender o que você quer dizer.
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
• Qual navegador você está usando?
Google Chrome v84
Histórico do relatório
Declarer: 8 (or 9) trumps, pass
Partner: (holding both high honours) Trull, ultimo, pass
Thus not only announcing ultimo (which will be successful) but also indicating holding both high honours (since otherwise they wouldn't know that the declarer holds the pagat) and thereby potentially opening the door for further announcements.
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(In a yielded game or accepted invitation)
Declarer: 8 (or 9) trumps, pass
Partner: (the yielding/inviting player, holding 5+ trumps) Ultimo, pass
This works because if the declarer had a high honour, they would be expected to announce trull with 5+ trumps, thus they must have the pagat. Trull therefore won't work, but ultimo very likely will. And it is true that the declarer can expect 5+ trumps on the partner's hand anyway (they shouldn't have yielded/invited otherwise), but it's better to leave the announcement to the partner regardless, in case they, too, have 8 or 9 trumps and run the risk of preventing the ultimo themselves.
Or even
(In a yielded game or accepted invitation)
Declarer: Pass
Partner: (the yielding/inviting player, holding two honours) 8 (or 9) trumps, trull, pass
Declarer: (holding 4+/3+ trumps) Ultimo, pass
Here the partner's trull announcement signals the pagat: the declarer is supposed to announce trull with 5+ trumps, so the partner's trull announcement is basically saying "I know you do have a high honour because I have the two others". The declarer is then expected to announce ultimo if they have enough trumps to do so - or not, in which case the pagat will be led early, while the high honour is still there to take it, to ensure trull.
The only announcement that is legal but not available on the interface is XXI-catch while holding the XXI. :) That never makes sense. (But the XXI-catch announcement brings up a confirmation dialog even when it is available because it is so extremely seldom that it can be announced.)
I still think that it could be useful to have a warning on the bid, for new players. I am not saying you would disable bidding Pagat if you do not hold it, as there are reasons for this as you rightfully point out! Just something making sure that the player definitely wants to bid Ultimo.
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